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Post by mrsnilescrane on Jul 28, 2004 18:10:10 GMT -5
Hey --
I just wanted to know if any of you have an idea as to why more people don't like Remus/Ginny. For some reason, I like to know why people don't agree with me -- so if there are any guesses, feel free to post.
P.S. -- I recognize the fact that some people don't like student/teacher relationships, because of pedophilia and whatnot -- but what about the people who are okay with that? And what about an older Ginny?
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Post by AJRoald on Jul 29, 2004 12:59:34 GMT -5
Great question!
I think to most it is the age difference of 21 years that 'turns them off' the pairing-- even when Ginny is of legal age (or an adult in her 20's).
There are some that find the ship 'disgusting' because of the pedophiliac nature that some can contrive, although (in my opinion) people need to realize that the age of consent in Britain is 16, and Harry Potter is set in Britain. (PS, I am American)
Although I'm not the 'biggest' fan of the story that has them falling madly, passionately in love while Ginny is still a Hogwarts student (mostly because it seems OOC for Remus to persue this in my mind), I don't mind the 'beginnings' of their relationship starting to develop in this time frame. I have also read a few stories where it was actually done rather tastefully.
Then there is the 'beastiality' aspect (which, btw...I really don't get).
Then you have the people who aren't willing to look at anything that is outside what they believe to be canon, and some of these people can't understand why anyone would even consider something that's just not going to happen in the books. Honestly, I've seen the 'canon' arguement more than once.
Not to start an all out controversy, but sometimes people take fanfiction WAY to seriously.
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Post by aikakone on Aug 17, 2004 20:18:38 GMT -5
For some people, they simply don't like one or both characters. For example, for me, I'm not a fanon Draco fan too much. Therefore, I don't read too much fic about him unless it is from a writer that already has my trust. I like Draco well enough, but in the books, thanks. As for Tom Felton, I could look at that boy all day...  Others hate the student-teacher aspect, which is tied in to the age difference thing. Some people will never, ever get over that. I've gotten reviews of stories where Ginny is clearly an adult, but the reviewer thinks it's "pedophilia". [I really, really hate that particular one. Thank goodness I am not seeing that insult so much any more.] As for any others, I just don't know. I don't mind being one of a small group, though. Generally, I don't follow the crowd, and I find our small group to be very nice. While I want others to think like we do, if we suddenly became as prolific as the Ron/Hermione or Draco/Ginny or any of the other huge ships, I'm not sure I'd deal too well with that. It would seem "weird" for me. |
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Post by samantha2074 on Aug 18, 2004 20:15:55 GMT -5
I agree that the age difference probably puts many people off. Even if their relationship is technically legal, depending on what Ginny's age is there could be a vast emotional gulf between them. Perhaps hypocritcally, I don't mind reading about such things in fic, but in real life I would look askance at a forty year old dating a twenty year old. Yeah, there are always exceptions and the relationship could actually work for that particular couple, but I would initially wonder what a presumably mature adult sees in someone who's so much younger and unformed. I'm only 30, but I can't imagine dating someone 21 or younger. Most people that age still have some maturation to go through. I know I did. I think once Ginny starts to hit 25, the ship becomes more realistic. Not that I necessarily look for realistic in my fic  I think the other thing that may baffle peope about a Remus/Ginny ship is that they interact so little in the books. There's really nothing to suggest a relationship between them. Pairings such as Ginny/Harry or Remus/Sirius (just to name a couple), have a stronger foundation in the books to build on. Essentially the whole R/G dynamic has to be invented by the fic author out of wholecloth. I know that my reaction to similar pairings in other fandoms is "How random. What's the point?" (I never claimed to be consistent). I imagine other people in the HP fandom have the same reaction to R/G. |
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Post by LupinFan227 on Aug 19, 2004 9:41:33 GMT -5
Samantha,
I really like what you have to say as far as the little interaction between these two characters. I think it's the question of "What goes on behind what's written?" For example, I've seen somewhere- I think on this site- that perhaps Remus taught her the famous Bat Bogey Hex. Also, he had to have been told of the events of her first year when he came to teach in her second, so perhaps he was extra senstive to her in class. Who knows?
As far as the age thing, well I have some personal comments to make. I was 22 and dated a 38 year old guy. He had 2 teenage kids. I think the deal with dating someone so much older is that I had gone through some major personal crises by my 22 years. So that made me a tab more mature. So in my personal opionion, it takes having gone through some sort of trauma to mature someone. Ginny's first year is a great example of that. Also, any events of a wizarding war would add to that. I think she's probably aged emotionally more than other witches her age.
Just my two cents.
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Post by PiaRose on Jun 17, 2005 5:44:44 GMT -5
Legal age in the British wizarding world might be different. I'm re-reading OOTP and there's of mention of the legal magic age being 17, maybe this applies to things like drinking, smoking and sexual acts . Of course since HP is a childrens book J.K.R wouldn't mention that. Just my thoughts. Pia Rose ;D |
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Post by sandylupin on Feb 2, 2006 12:40:56 GMT -5
I know a lot of "non-R/G" shippers and nearly all of them say they dont read it because of the age difference, obviously, a lot of the squick is in that. But thinking of it, it can be the characters too. I mean there arent many Ginny/"older-men" fics at all! Just look at the lack of Ginny/Lucius (I have one friend who loves that pairing) it was so few of them, she has read all that she could find already. I even (Though it was rather hard writing a pairing I dont read.) sat down and wrote one for her. And I think the problem with Ginny as a character is that some just cant see her as a girl growing up! I think that since she has been paired up with quite a few lads during the past two books, fans cant accept her with someone more unexpected. The main problem with Remus, nowadays is of course that Jo paired him with Tonks, and that the pairing was very common even before that.
~Sandy
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Post by samantha2074 on Feb 19, 2006 23:14:30 GMT -5
Sandy, I agree that when Half-Blood Prince came out and made the Remus/Tonks and Ginny/Harry ships canonical, interest in Remus/Ginny waned. Authors either have to write AUs or find ways to break the couples up. Certainly this isn't an insurmountable obstacle, but it may mean fewer people are attracted to an already marginal ship. I guess there are ups and downs to enjoying an unpopular pairing. On the one hand, there's less wank, but on the other, there are fewer fics.  |
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Post by sandylupin on Feb 23, 2006 12:43:02 GMT -5
The problem with writing fics after the couples has separated up is that you often have to include the breakup so that it is obvious what happened. And you cant just kill them, even though how much you would like to do it to save your ship...)
~Sandy
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